The internet is not just for porn.

HC: Hey Kate Monster.

KM: Hiya Haute Cocoa.
HC: Can you sing for the Hive that song you wrote about wedding dress shopping?
KM: What song?
HC: You know, the one that Trekkie Monster kept trying to ruin?
KM: Oh, of course! Here it goes:

I'm glad we have this new technology
Which gives us untold opportunity
Right from your own desktop
You can research browse and shop
Until you've had enough and you're ready to stop.

[Image source. Lyrics from Avenue Q.]

If you've been following Miss Haute Cocoa's dogged pursuit of a couture wedding dress bargain, you know she's traveled by subway to the Priscilla of Boston sample sale, by train to Kleinfeld's monthly sample sale and to the Bridal Garden, and by car to the Vows Bridal Outlet. But this will-go-anywhere-for-a-bargain girl ultimately ended her search in her Jem and the Holograms pajamas, with her buttocks firmly planted in her desk chair.

Yes, I found my dress on the internet.

It might seem sketchy to make such a big purchase online, and trust me, even someone with as acute a case of bargainphilia as myself wondered at one point whether this might be a bit of an extreme way to save a few bucks. But after trying on a number of silhouettes, fabrics, and styles at Vows and other sample dress boutiques, I was fairly certain I knew what I wanted: a fit and flare gown in size 8 or 10, either strapless or with little capsleeves, with a little bit of embellishment or lace. After a bit of online research, I realized that there were a number of gowns available that fit my criteria and that (even with shipping costs) they were generally even more affordable than the sample gowns I found at brick-and-mortar boutiques.

Then, one fortuitous day, on the website of Dream Bridal L.A., I found her. Her name was Mona Lisa. She had darling capsleeves with delicate embellishment, a sexy scoop back, a luscious mermaid shape. She was a sample dress in excellent condition. Sure, she made her debut in Monique Lhuillier's Fall 2005 collection, but as a thirty-something bride, who am I to judge her by her age? I contacted Dream Bridal, spoke to the lovely owner, Britta, and negotiated for Mona to pay me a visit in Boston. Except for an anxious week when Mona got waylaid (the DHL guy appears to have stolen it and then returned it when he decided he was more a Vera Wang kind of guy), the process was easy. Britta gave me ample time to decide whether the dress was right for me. And lo and behold, it was!

I had a great experience with Dream Bridal L.A., as well as with Your Dream Dress, an ebay seller from whom I bought (but ultimately returned) the Badgley Mischka Lucia gown below. Not only did I find lovely gowns at a significant discount, I was able to try the dresses on in my own home, without any pressure or snarkiness from a hovering salesperson.Suffice to say, no, Trekkie Monster, the internet is not just for porn. It's for wedding dress bargains too. And for those of you still shopping, I thought I'd share a few of the tips I picked up along the way.

1. Researching the seller. There are generally 3 types of online sellers: individuals (i.e., brides selling their gently used dresses through craigslist, ebay, or preownedweddingdresses.com), webstores attached to brick-and-mortar businesses (such as Bridepower), and internet-only businesses (such as Your Dream Dress). Since I'm a bit risk averse, I limited my search to businesses. Not only do individual sellers rarely allow returns, they often sell dresses that have already been altered, which can be hard to size and fit. I also noticed that businesses tend to have better prices than individual sellers, perhaps because brides who paid full price for their dresses understandably want to recoup a bit more of their costs. Finally, it's easier to test the credibility of a business; I found reviews of many of the established sellers on wedding websites like Project Wedding, the Knot, and the Weddingbee boards, or on ebay, when applicable.

2. Trusting my intuition. If the seller seemed sketchy, if they didn't return my e-mails or phone calls in a timely manner, if they required -- gasp -- cash, I moved on. In general, I'd be wary of sellers who tell you brusquely that the gown is in "perfect" condition. Sample dresses are rarely perfect, and the reputable sellers I dealt with were happy to provide details of any imperfections. I also always looked for a written description of the condition of the gown. That way, if the gown arrived in a different condition, I'd have more leverage for negotiation or an easy reason for a return.

3. Negotiating with the seller. Don't be afraid to e-mail or call the seller to discuss the price. As with all vendor negotiations, I found that if you are kind to the seller, express serious interest in the item, and ask politely if she is able to help you work within your budget, you might be pleasantly surprised by the results. Plus this type of interaction allowed me to get a sense of the seller's business ethos: Did she respond in a timely and courteous manner to e-mails or phone calls? Was she only interested in making the sell, or did she take the time to share with me information about the dress and her store policies?

On a related note, ebay sellers like Your Dream Dress often give buyers the opportunity to "make an offer." If you choose this option, recognize that if your offer is accepted, it is as much of an agreement to buy as if you win any other bid on ebay. So bid carefully. (Not on a whim, like me!) Don't lowball, but do your homework to figure out what a fair price is for the particular item. Since many sample dresses are released into the market when a designer discontinues a particular design, you'll often see the same dress (perhaps in different sizes and conditions) on various sites, thus making it easy to comparison shop. Also, even if a particular ebay seller does not have a "make an offer" option, you can often still get a better price on a dress by contacting the seller directly. They might ask that you wait until the auction is over to negotiate on a bidless item, but if you are a serious buyer, they will likely be happy to haggle.

4. Checking return policies. Most of the sites I looked at offered at least 24 to 48 hours from the time I received the dress to decide whether to keep it. If I decided to return the dress, I was required to ship it back to them within a certain number of days in the same condition as it arrived. In the event of a return, some sellers, like Bridepower, charge a processing fee (to recoup the cost of, say, cleaning or steaming a dress). Others, like Dream Bridal and Your Dream Dress, charge only for shipping to/from my apartment. Although with insurance it cost me around $75 to send the Badgley Mischka back to Your Dream Dress via UPS, I found the return process to be hassle free. The seller didn't give me any grief about returning the dress; on the contrary, they were apologetic that the dress didn't work out and even offered to wave the shipping costs on my next purchase.

5. Seeing a seamstress. Britta of Dream Bridal L.A. gave me very helpful advice to take my dress to my seamstress during the decision period. This way, I could get an estimate for alterations or repairs, as well as get the second opinion of a professional (who has seen a number of wedding dresses) on the quality and fit of the gown.

6. Anticipating snafus. Reputable sellers will ship the gown to you using an insured and trackable method. And you should do the same when returning the gown. But do ask (and try to get in writing) what would happen if -- Buddha forbid -- a gown gets lost or damaged by the carrier. When the DHL guy temporarily absconded with my dress, for example, Britta took care of everything and kept me updated on all of her recovery efforts. As an added level of protection, I also made my purchases on credit cards with buyer's insurance.

7. Getting everything in writing. As a lawyer, I am obsessive compulsive about creating a paper trail. This way, any negotiations I have with vendors are memorialized and clear. And any questions or problems can be resolved with a simple forward or fax.

Whew! This is an epic post; I hope it's helpful! If you're intrigued, below is a list of the websites I looked at during the course of my search. Also, if you are interested in finding a dress on ebay, don't miss Mrs. Tulip's excellent two-part post on the subject.


Did you purchase your dress over the internet? What was your experience like? Do you have any additional tips or websites to share? Tell the hive! I'll compile any additional sites in my next post and tempt you with some of their delectable offerings. Until then, happy shopping!

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Bargains with Dignity

This is a post in which the usually carefree Miss Haute Cocoa takes a break from her tour of great bargain shopping experiences to kvetch about a not so great one: the bridal boutique that shall not be named. It's no secret that Miss Haute Cocoa has champagne tastes on a Martinelli budget. So when she heard about a boutique near Boston that boasts "couture gown shopping at off the rack pricing," she thought, "Sssweeeeet -- that's practically my motto! I've found bridal heaven."


Her experience there was more like the fourth circle of the Inferno.

[The prodigal and the miserly in the fourth circle.  Image source.]

I was already a bit nervous walking into the boutique because, although it's pretty and spacious, it reeked of stale smoke (not so great for a place that sells gowns off the rack). The boutique owner was well meaning (I suppose) but blunt to the point of rudeness. First, when I told her that my ideal dress was a particular Monique Lhuillier, she cackled (seriously, cackled) and told me that I clearly didn't know what I was talking about. "People in the wedding industry know that there's no reason to pay for the labels and that it's all about the materials." Probably true. But that's a pretty harsh way to welcome a customer!  She then proceeded to put me in a number of itchy polyester and crinoline monstrosities that made my butt look so huge it needed a different zip code.  Oy.
[Image source.  Thankfully, they didn't allow photos at the boutique that shall not be named. But I'm fairly certain I looked something like this, complete with the butt pouches and the doubled-over-in-pain look.]

The danger sign in my head started flashing big time when she told me to dismiss the opinions of the two friends who had accompanied me, opining that "everything they are saying is all wrong" (verbatim quote) and that they had "no idea" what worked for my body type. She then basically told me to dismiss my own intuitions about the dress. She put me in a ballgown with so much business going on up top and down below that it was like a multilevel disco in Miami on New Year. After I said that the dress was pretty, but just not "me," she said I wasn't "really seeing" the dress. She then proceeded to roll her eyes at my friend's comments that the dress was too "traditionally bridal." "This is not at all traditional," she retorted, in a tone that made clear that we had about as much sartorial knowledge as Papa Smurf.

The last straw was when she corrected my pronunciation (um, who does that?) of alencon (a-lon-son) lace, insisting that it was pronounced a-len-ce-lon. For realz.

Don't get me wrong: I appreciate the expertise of someone who has been working in the wedding industry for a long time. But it's one thing to share expertise and advice, and another to be insulting. Maybe this type of disciplinarian hard sell works for some, but for me it was a total turn-off. I felt besieged. Sure, there was a lovely Paloma Blanca there that was priced quite reasonably, and the boutique had some beautiful Pronovias gowns as well.  But no discount is worth tolerating this kind of rudeness, right?

Thankfully, this was the only shop I went to that made me feel like I should have to put up with rude service or a not-me type of dress because I didn't want to pay regular retail prices.  I write this post to assure those of you out there who are looking for an affordable gown that bad service is not coincident with low prices, that there are places where you can find a beautiful gown at your budget and still be treated with respect and kindness.  So if you are still looking, don't despair!  And look out for my next post, which will be about purchasing gorgeous couture gowns online.

Did you have a less-than-awesome bridal shopping experience? What happened? Did you walk out or smiled and beared it like we did?  Come, tell your stories of woe to Miss Hot Cocoa. You'll get nothing but sympathy.

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Bridepower!

In the last episode of the Adventures of Haute Cocoa, our intrepid heroine used her penny-pinching skills for good as she shopped for charity at the Bridal Garden.  In today's episode, the gods of nuptial discounts reward her for her feats of thriftiness by bestowing her with -- ka-pow! -- Bridepower!

Alright, enough with the cheeseball comic book intros.  Though I hope you took a moment to ponder what your bridepower would be.  Is it the ability to leap over beds of freeze-dried rose petals in 3-inch Manolos?  To wield tissue-paper pomanders like a set of nunchucks?  To outrun all other brides at Filene's?

Actually, Bridepower is the online storefront for Vows Bridal Outlet, a sample bridal dress boutique in Newton, MA.  Frequent visitors to the hive will recall that this is where Mrs. Toucan got her stunning second dress.  A little bit of detail about the awesomeness that is Vows: They carry hundreds of sample gowns from designers ranging from Amsale to Liv Harris (their own in-store label) to Vera Wang (and everything in between).  Not only do they carry gowns at lots of different price points (check out their mega-markdowns section of the store and website for gowns under $500), they also carry sample gowns in a variety of size ranges.  The stock is helpfully organized by silhouette (ballgowns, sheaths, a-lines), and there are separate sections for sizes 12+ and couture gowns.  If you go on a weekday, there are no restrictions on the number of gowns you can pull or try on.  And they even have a variety of veils and sashes for you to play dress up with.  Combine these elements with an easy-to-use online appointment scheduler, an excellent webpage with detailed pictures of their entire inventory (and the ability to purchase online), the fact that they let you take as many pictures as you'd like, and a helpful and low-pressure sales staff (no hard sells here), and you've pretty much reached bridal nirvana as far as Miss Hot Cocoa's concerned.  Om.

[This architectural Christos gown is a stylish bargain at $499.]

But here is the best thing about Vows: included with the price of all dresses (except for the mega-markdowns) is cleaning and repairs!  This is brilliant for two reasons.  First, you can get a pretty accurate sense of what the gown is going to cost you.  I've been to lots of sample sales with seemingly great bargains, where the consultant assures you that it'll only cost "pennies" to repair the ginormous hole in the alencon lace or to fix the loose or missing beading on the embellished cap sleeves. Horror of horrors, you take your fab "bargain" to a seamstress and discover that it'll actually cost you a gazillion pennies to get the gown in good enough state for you not to look like hobo bride.  Second, the Vows policy means that they have an incentive to take excellent care of their gowns.  This is why the Vows consultants never use clips when fitting you and why they so diligently put the gowns back in their protective garment bags for you.

And, of course, this wouldn't be a Miss Hot Cocoa post unless you get a swwweeet deal.  Gowns are generally between 50-75% off retail.  I came this close to purchasing the lovely Vera Wang silk mikado fit-and-flare gown above; a delicious deal at under $1500.

Some of you are thinking, "Miss Hot Cocoa, I'm not bargain-obsessed like you. I want to splurge on my wedding dress and have the luxury bridal salon experience, complete with silk kimonos, champagne, and fawning sales people." It's ok to tell me that; you know I'm not judgey.  But even if that's your schtick, I'd still encourage you to visit Vows or a similar sample dress boutique. Here's why. Most luxury wedding salons are what I've called "closed-rack" boutiques, ones where you tell your consultant what your ideal dress and budget is, and she brings you a selection of gowns to choose from. A place like Vows allows you to try on a variety of silhouettes by a variety of different designers and at a variety of different price points, which is so helpful because no matter how many pictures of a particular style you've cut out of wedding magazines, it's difficult to envision how a dress will look on you (unless you happen to be an emaciated, surly, and pale childbride like the ones featured on ads and runways).  

You want to try on a puff-ball Carolina Herrera dress with a daisy pattern?  Go ahead.  Just for kicks, you want to see what you look like in a Daisy Buchanan-type sheath, complete with fringe?  Go for it.  You have a burning desire to see what a particular silhouette would look like in peau de soie instead of silk satin?  Try it.  You have no idea what peau de soie is?  Touch it, try it on, and find out.  No one will roll their eyes at you or curse you under their breath for wasting their time.
[Pictures by row, left to right: Kenneth Pool, Badgley Mischka, Vera Wang; Amsale, Monique Lhuillier, Monique Lhuillier; Melissa Sweet, Jenny Lee, Liv Harris.]

Okay, so sorry for the unasked for advice; I don't know where that came from, but I'm stepping off the soap box now!  Back to my own experience: I went to Vows with a set of "rules": no poufy butts (I've got plenty of natural pouf down there, thx), no dresses that have so much crinoline and boning they stand up by themselves, a-lines or sheaths only.  And I walked out of Vows with the sad but important recognition that those petite-in-stature and wide-in-ass like me can't work a sheath (oh, Badgley, though you made me look like a bridal sausage, how it hurts to part with thee), as well as the knowledge that silhouettes like the mermaid/fit-and-flare and the ballgown were surprisingly flattering on my frame.  Although I didn't end up purchasing a gown at Vows, these "lessons" were so important when I finally made my purchase.

Did you buy  your dress at a bridal outlet?  What was your experience like?  Did you have any style misconceptions when you started your dress search?  How were they revised during the course of your shopping?

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